Tony Jones, writer, theologian, and outdoorsman interviews his friend Brian McLaren, keynote speaker at Church Anew’s Nov. 2019 conference and author of The Great Spiritual Migration. In part 1 of their interview, Brian reflects on his experience starting a church, shutting it down, and starting again. Sound familiar in these COVID-19 times of closed buildings and paused ministry programs? Listen to what Brian learned and how your church might apply that learning as we all look forward to reopening and gathering together again as communities of faith.

In part 2 of this interview, Brian continues reflecting on change. This pandemic is not only a problem, but also an opportunity. Look for that post the week of May 18, or sign up for Church Anew updates and we’ll send you the link!